Kristy- Sorry about your day!! The last news article that came out about the 66 cases of measles "this big outbreak" LOL - Over half of them WERE vaccinated. Just goes to prove measles happens the same if not more if vaccinated.

Lisad- Please understand just because your husband is a doctor and can rattle off what he believes about vaccines doesn't mean we and other doctors especially neurologists can't rattle off a list of things rebutting all that info. showing vaccines cause harm.

We have these seperate threads to support one anothers choices in times of need.

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The non vacinating moms are respectful of the vaxing thread so please do the same and do not debate here.

Thank you.

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No one is being insulting and no one is being disrespectful. Again, that is why we have the two separate threads.

This is not a place to be debating who said what or what type of education certain medical communities have. This thread is to support the moms who have chosen not to vaccinate their children, choices that they feel are best for their own reasons.

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kristy - i am sorry you are having a tough time today ((hugs))

thank you rebekah and judith for your posts...this is a place where we can say what we feel about the choices we are making for our children. I hope it can stay that way.

I have abby's 2yr appt. tomorrow. thankfully i don't have the nurse, i have abby's pedi (they rotate for each check up). the nurse is pretty pushy, but her pedi seems understanding. either way, they can't force me..i am her mom...but still, wish me luck for tomorrow...

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kristy-sorry about the rough day today. {{hugs}}

lauren-good luck tomorrow. hope all goes well. keep us posted.

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To those who do vaccinate, this thread is not for you. I have read several hurtful things about how my choice to not vaccinate is harming your children yet I have never posted over there because it isn't my place. If you don't like what is posted over here stay out. And I am sorry if I offended you, but it is POISON in vaccines. Get the manufacturers insert and read what is in them.

Rac and Judith, thank you for your support.

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As for Jack being around someone with measles, I don't fear that, in fact I almost wish he would get measles because then he would have life long immunity like all of our grandparents do and I know he has the immune system to fight it. It is a mild disease, yes it can cause serious reactions in a few children but ANY disease can cause severe reactions including RSV which we don't vaccinate for unless your child is a micro-preemie.

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I am sorry that my post upset people and caused a debate that in turn caused people to leave the boards. If you were in my shoes and have cried the tears I have over watching Alex withdraw, develop ADHD, enuresis, a learning disorder and ODD you might understand how I made my decision. We as parents must make choices everyday on what is best for our children and our family. I originally vaccinated Jack and it wasn't until others posted information on this site that I was able to link the pieces together of Alex's struggles in life to vaccines. After hours and hours of research dh and I decided to stop vaccinating our children. It is a choice we made for our family. That is what is so great about this board. Because of different views that are expressed, we can use the information and learn from it so that we can make the best decision for our family. If we all agreed, we would never learn from others choices.

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Kristy- I'm sorry you are feeling so aggravated. I had the same thing happen the other day. We were at a friend's, and one of the gals (she's a dentist, so medical background), wanted to know if I've changed my mind about vaxing. She pushed and pushed, and was polite, but you can certainly tell she is very against my decision. I explained to her that our current office has mostly non-vaxing patients, so the issue doesn't even come up, and I've kind of forgotten about it altogether. She kept saying comments like, "well, I guess it's okay right now, b/c I guess the boys aren't being exposed to too much while at home." And another friend commented, "Yeah, and I guess they'll be okay as long as they're around other kids who are vaccinated."
I quickly commented that my choice is based on my own gut feeling and instinct, and it has nothing to do with who we are "exposed" to. I find that I really hate even getting into the conversations, b/c I don't want them to think I'm feeling like they are making a "wrong" decision by vaxing. I think it's a bit odd, though, that I try not to get into it b/c I'm trying to protect THEIR feelings, yet they don't even consider what they are saying to me!
So, I totally get your frustration.

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Thanks Sarah.

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I found this to be pretty interesting....

http://www.naturalnews.com/024114.html



Kids Pricked for Profit: The Financial Ties of Vaccine Promoters to Big Pharma

by Joanne Waldron (see all articles by this author)


(NaturalNews) In a shocking article from a mainstream media source, CBS News, it is reported that some of the biggest vaccine promoters and defenders have very strong financial ties to the vaccine industry, to put it mildly. Just who is involved? According to CBS News Investigative Correspondent, Sharyl Attkisson, three of the "players" include the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP), Every Child By Two (a group whose main agenda is to promote vaccination), and a pediatrician named Dr. Paul Offit.

Big Pharma Routinely Gives Money to AAP

The AAP, recently in the news for recommending statin drugs for certain groups of children as young as eight and cholesterol screening for infants, accepted a $342,000 payment from Wyeth, the maker of the pneumococcal vaccine, which is worth about 2 billion dollars a year in sales. The AAP also took $433,000 from Merck the year they endorsed the controversial HPV vaccine (which is expected to bring in billions of dollars in profits) and is currently being pushed on little girls as young as nine. Sanofi Aventis, a pharmaceutical company that makes 17 vaccines and the new 5-in-1 combo shot that was recently added to the childhood vaccination schedule, is also one of the AAP's top donors, purports CBS News.

Who Handles The Money at Every Child By Two?

What about Every Child By Two? The group flatly refused to tell CBS News just how much money they received from the vaccine industry. While they claim no conflicts of interest exist, take a look at their list of officers. Their "treasurers" include "officials from Wyeth and a paid advisor to big pharmaceutical clients," according to the CBS report.

Doc Who Has Immunized Himself Against Poverty

Then there's Dr. Paul Offit, who holds a $1.5 million dollar research chair at Children's Hospital, funded by none other than Merck. Some may remember that he and Merck hold a patent on Rotateq, an anti-diarrhea vaccine for which the future royalties were just sold for a whopping 182 million bucks. According to CBS, this doctor claims that babies can tolerate 10,000 vaccines at once. Unbelievable. Dr. Douglass, who has long expressed concerns about the vaccination industry, wrote in his newsletter: "...no wonder Dr. Offit loves vaccines so much -- he's apparently fully immunized himself against poverty." Indeed. While Dr. Douglass may not see eye-to-eye with natural health advocates on every issue, he's right on the mark here.

Much Still Unknown About Financial Ties

Attkisson states, in a Couric & Co. blog post, that none of the parties involved were willing to provide a full accounting of their financial relationships. Amazingly enough, even though the two groups (AAP, Every Child By Two) both received tax benefits for their non-profit status, there is no law requiring them to provide those details to anyone, including the IRS. When the vaccine companies themselves were approached, they said they "would not, or could not give such information as: financial support they give to educational institutions, physicians and research projects; a list of outside physicians who are on the payroll as researchers, speakers, advisors or consultants; and an accounting of funding provided to non-profits, medical organizations and government entities such as IOM, NIH, CDC and FDA," reports Attkisson.

The bottom line is that parents need to research the safety and efficacy of each vaccine and weigh the possible benefits and absolute risks of giving each vaccine to their children for themselves. The CBS report provides some compelling evidence that people responsible for recommending vaccines may not necessarily be objective. Clearly, the report probably only scratched the surface of all that's really happening in the industry.

Doctors Are Sheep, Big Pharma is The Shepherd

Even doctors who have no financial ties to the industry often rely on the advice and opinions of the AAP. How often does one find a doctor who dares to go against the recommendations of the AAP? The truth is that most doctors are sheep, and Big Pharma is the shepherd.

Doctors often use scare tactics to try to push parents into giving children vaccinations, but remember that vaccinations are easy money for doctors. Every time a new vaccine is added to the schedule, doctors make a boatload of money for giving another quick jab. (Compare this to the many computer companies that provide anti-virus software for computers than can be downloaded for free.) Make no mistake about it: the whole vaccine industry is motivated by obscene profits. Parents need to seek out unbiased information sources when making decisions about the health of their children.

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The CBS News article....

How Independent Are Vaccine Defenders?, Sharyl Attkisson Investigates Vaccine Advocates Taking Funding From The Companies Whose Vaccines They Endorse - CBS News

How Independent Are Vaccine Defenders?

WASHINGTON, July 25, 2008 (CBS) For years some parents and scientists have raised concerns about vaccine safety, including a possible link to autism and ADD. Many independent experts have sided with government officials and other scientists who say there's no possible connection. But how "independent" are they? CBS News investigative correspondent Sharyl Attkisson shares here's what she found.


They're some of the most trusted voices in the defense of vaccine safety: the American Academy of Pediatrics, Every Child By Two, and pediatrician Dr. Paul Offit.

But CBS News has found these three have something more in common - strong financial ties to the industry whose products they promote and defend.

The vaccine industry gives millions to the Academy of Pediatrics for conferences, grants, medical education classes and even helped build their headquarters. The totals are kept secret, but public documents reveal bits and pieces.

A $342,000 payment from Wyeth, maker of the pneumococcal vaccine - which makes $2 billion a year in sales.

A $433,000 contribution from Merck, the same year the academy endorsed Merck's HPV vaccine - which made $1.5 billion a year in sales.

Another top donor: Sanofi Aventis, maker of 17 vaccines and a new five-in-one combo shot just added to the childhood vaccine schedule last month.

Every Child By Two, a group that promotes early immunization for all children, admits the group takes money from the vaccine industry, too - but wouldn't tell us how much.

A spokesman told CBS News: "There are simply no conflicts to be unearthed." But guess who's listed as the group's treasurers? Officials from Wyeth and a paid advisor to big pharmaceutical clients.

Then there's Paul Offit, perhaps the most widely-quoted defender of vaccine safety.

He's gone so far as to say babies can tolerate "10,000 vaccines at once."

This is how Offit described himself in a previous interview: "I'm the chief of infectious disease at Children's Hospital of Philadelphia and a professor of pediatrics at Penn's medical school," he said.

Offit was not willing to be interviewed on this subject but like others in this CBS News investigation, he has strong industry ties. In fact, he's a vaccine industry insider.

Offit holds in a $1.5 million dollar research chair at Children's Hospital, funded by Merck. He holds the patent on an anti-diarrhea vaccine he developed with Merck, Rotateq, which has prevented thousands of hospitalizations.

And future royalties for the vaccine were just sold for $182 million cash. Dr. Offit's share of vaccine profits? Unknown.

Read more about this story at Couric & Co. Blog

There's nothing illegal about the financial relationships, but to critics, they pose a serious risk for conflicts of interest. As one member of Congress put it, money from the pharmaceutical industry can shape the practices of those who hold themselves out to be "independent."

The American Academy of Pediatrics, Every Child By Two and Dr. Offit would not agree to interviews, but all told us they're up front about the money they receive, and it doesn't sway their opinions.

Today's immunization schedule now calls for kids to get 55 doses of vaccines by age 6.

Ideally, it makes for a healthier society. But critics worry that industry ties could impact the advice given to the public about all those vaccines.


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Thanks Rebecca!!

SO glad CBS news finally reported what we have all known for quite some time.

I'm glad a mainstream news organization was finally able to put this information out!! Hopefully they will continue in their research and report more into vaccine safety issues showing Vaeers reports of all the, diseases, reactions & deaths vaccines cause.

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Rac, thank you for posting. I am excited that a major news station is starting to notice the financial link between the people saying vaccines are safe and the manufacturers. I truely believe the truth about vaccines will emerge just as you posted yesterday about the lead found in most children vitamins. It is just a matter of time. Education is crucial.

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im nervous to post over here bc i dont want to start anything. i just want to know how you guys feel about vaccines like gardisil?? would you be against a vaccine that would prevent cancer?? again just wanting to know what you non vaccinating moms THINK not trying to agrue or be confrontational.

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