Kelly, sorry Hannah got sick. I think vomiting is one of the common reactions on the list of side effects. I hope she feels better soon.

Vicki, yes I am a L&D nurse. I have vaccinated both of my older kids and Jack is up to date on his vaccines as well. It wasn't until I started reading this forum and researching the information that I related my oldest child's history to his vaccines. Then I went out and bought a couple books and read them. It was very interesting and I think the statistics show that the increase in SIDS, Autism, Asthma, ADHD etc. can be linked to the vaccines and that the statistics of the vaccines lasting/protecting against the diseases are not proven. I think this will eventually come out as more parents are educated and the system will have to be re-evalutated. I don't think the majority of the diseases we vaccinate against have severe harm if contracted. Yes, some people have a bad case and yes some people die but most people tolerate the disease just fine and then they actually develop lifelong immunity. Others have been fully vaccinated but yet still contract the disease so who is to say vaccines even work at all? I am still torn on the decision and I pray that I am making the right decision and that Jack doesn't get a disease and die from something I could have prevented. However, after reading the information it just doesn't add up. I suggest you buy a book and read it.

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No, you're not. The problem I have is that it doesn't seem like nurses are even being INFORMED as to what the concerns are. The only reason you are aware is because you decided to look into it yourself, right?

That is what makes me so mad. I really believe that the nurses and doctors are doing what they feel is best. They care about the babies, and this is what they have been told is the best for the babies, so it's what they push. Why can't medical students be given both sides of the story, so they could understand their patients better?
I just wish I could have had you in the room instead the woman I ended up with!

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Kedney- thank you for sharing that with me. I will definitly get a few books and look into it. I am so torn about this now. I appreciate your time and info. thanks again.

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Vicki- GL with your research. ADD & ADHD have also been shown in studies as reactions from vaccines and why there has been a huge increase in them. Lisa (Mom3girls) mentioned something natural that someone she knows child takes and they are doing so much better.

Lisa if you see this can you post what it is called. Sorry I forget.

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Judith, it is called Glyconutrients. I have a few people in my life who have thier children on it and they have seen marked improvement.

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Sarah, I agree and wish nurses and doctors were more informed.

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Today was the boys' two-week checkup with the new ped (well, the nurse practioner, actually.) They are doing great, no issues, great weight gain, etc. I really liked the place and it is very close to where I live (about 2 miles away), so I am definitely wanting to stick with them.

The vaccine issue came up, and went fairly well. The NP wasn't thrilled with me voicing my concerns, but she was very respectful overall and explained which ones she strongly recommends (which I basically agree with), and which ones are "suggested", but less "necessary". She did agree with me when I told her that I didn't believe preemies should have the Hep-B vaccine.

At one point I did become upset though. She mentioned the MMR; I told her I want it given as separate vaccines. She told me that it is not available in separate form (she specifically said, "they don't make it that way any more.") I asked her since when? She said, "I don't know, but it can only be done together." Last year my cousin nearly died when he received the vaccine; when I told her this, she tried to discredit what I was saying ("Well, I don't know the circumstances surrounding that. I've never heard of stopping breathing as a reaction.") I decided to drop it, since we've got a year to wait for it anyway. DH was really mad apparently, though, and after the visit told me, "we'll just look for a new place." I was shocked at how upset he was over what she said-- he thinks she was out and out lying; I think she may just be misinformed. Anyway, I told him that overall I was very comfortable here and felt that they will respect our choices as much as any other place would.

All in all, the vaccine talks went much better than I was expecting. As for the MMR thing... for you experts out there... if you can give me any sources on this that I can eventually use to prove that it is available separate, please let me know, so I can prove to the "experts" that they aren't always correct about everything!

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Sarah- Most other countries do the MMR seperate. Not in America. The problems mostly happen in the mixed vaccines like the DPaT is another one with a lot of reactions and is also suspected in causing Autism.

You can buy the MMR seperate here with an rx from your doctor. Some doctor's offices will order it for you. My friend did it and is giving them 6 months apart each to her twins. Insurance may not cover it.

Autism - Hopewell Pharmacy and Compounding Center

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Deaths Associated with HPV Vaccine Start Rolling In, Over 3500 Adverse Affects Reported

By John-Henry Westen

TORONTO, September 20, 2007 (LifeSiteNews.com) - As Canada, in large part
due to aggressive behind the scenes lobbying, rolls out the
not-comprehensively-tested Merck HPV vaccine for girls as young as nine, a look at developments
on the vaccine south of the border should cause Canadians serious concern.
In the United States a similar lobby campaign by the same company launched the
mass HPV vaccination of girls beginning in June last year.

In just little over a year, the HPV vaccine have been associated with at
least five deaths, not to mention thousands of reports of adverse effects,
hundreds deemed serious, and many that required hospitalization.

Judicial Watch, a US government watchdog, became concerned while noting
large donations to key politicians originating from Merck. A freedom of
information request from the group in May of this year discovered that during the
period from June 8, 2006 - when the vaccines rece ived approval from the U.S.
Food and Drug Administration (FDA) - to May 2007 there were 1,637 reports of
adverse reactions to the HPV vaccine reported to the FDA.

Three deaths were related to the vaccine, including one of a 12-year-old.
One physician's assistant reported that a female patient "died of a blood clot
three hours after getting the Gardasil vaccine." Two other reports, on girls
12 and 19, reported deaths relating to heart problems and/or blood clotting.

As of May 11, 2007, the 1,637 adverse vaccination reactions reported to the
FDA via the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) included 371
serious reactions. Of the 42 women who received the vaccine while pregnant, 18
experienced side effects ranging from spontaneous abortion to fetal
abnormities.

Side effects published by Merck & Co. warn the public about potential pain,
fever, nausea, dizziness and itching after receiving the vaccine. Indeed,
77% of the adverse reactions reported are typical side effects to vaccinations.
But other more serious side effects reported include paralysis, Bells
Palsy, Guillain-Barre Syndrome, and seizures.

Judicial Watch informed LifeSiteNews.com that a subsequent request for
information on adverse reactions to the HPV vaccine, covering the period from May
2007 to September 2007, found that an additional 1800 adverse reactions have
been reported, including more deaths. Exactly how many more deaths occurred
will be released in the coming days, Judicial Watch's Dee Grothe informed
LifeSiteNews.com.

The LifeSiteNews.com report on the moneyed lobbying efforts of Merck in the
US was reported in February. (see
_http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2007/feb/07020204.html_ (http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2007/feb/07020204.html) )

However the Canadian lobby effort by Merck's Canadian affiliate Merck Frosst
Canada has been underway using powerful lobbyists with close c onnections to
the politicians who have signed off on massive government funded vaccination
programs.

The Toronto Star recently reported that Merck Frosst Canada Ltd hired public
relations giant Hill & Knowlton to push the immunization strategies using
some well-connected lobbyists: Ken Boessenkool, a former senior policy adviser
to Prime Minister Stephen Harper; Bob Lopinski, formerly with Premier Dalton
McGuinty's office; and Jason Grier, former chief of staff to Health Minister
George Smitherman.

Harper's Conservative Government approved Merck's HPV vaccine Gardasil in
July and later announced a $300 million program to give the vaccine to girls
from ages 9-13. That of course is only the beginning of what Merck likely hopes
will be a much larger vaccination of all potentially sexually active women
in Canada who are not already HPV infected. In August, McGuinty's Ontario
Liberals, on the advice of his Health Minister George Smitherman, announced that
all Gr ade 8 girls will have free access to Gardasil.

One of the major complaints by physicians is that the HPV vaccination
program has been implemented before adequate testing has been completed. Long-term
effects of the vaccine remain unknown. Many are asking why the seemingly
reckless rush?

At least one answer to that question comes from the fact that Merck
currently is the sole provider of an HPV vaccine with its Gardasil product. A
competing HPV vaccine, Glaxo Smith Kline's Cervarix, is set to hit the market in
January 2008. As more children are vaccinated with Gardasil, fewer will be able
to later receive the necessary repeat boosters of a competing, incompatible
vaccine. Merck is in a race to capture as much of the market as it can,
consuming many millions of taxpayer dollars.

US sales of Gardasil are expected to reach $1 billion in the first year of
its availability.

The reports from the FDA Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System detai ling
the three previous deaths are available here:
(http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2007_docs/GardasilVAERSDeaths.pdf)

The reports detailing all 1637 adverse effects are here:
(http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2007_docs/GardasilVAERSReports.pdf)

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That is so sad. Risking the lives of young girls to make money. What is wrong with this world?

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I copied that article and emailed it to my sil. She and I talked about it over the weekend and she said she's thinking about getting it for Caitlin (who is almost 15). I hope she reads it.

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http://rchiprean.abmp.com/index.html

Judith- OMG, Briana's doctor was talking about giving it to her next summer. With her heart issues, I'm very concerned now. Thank you so much for that posting.

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judith - wow...it's sad about risking the lives of the young girls here for that.

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http://www.edmontonsun.com/Comment/2007/09/14/4495356-sun.html

Warning bells over Gardasi

It's the saviour of ***** girls. It's a revolution. It's a miracle - a
stunning scientific discovery.
Its name is Gardasil and it leaps tall buildings. It is a vaccine and helps
to protect girls and women against cervical cancer.
It is so ground breakingly powerful that the Canadian government has
designated $300 million for a program to vaccinate girls ages nine to 13.
Already, three provinces in Canada are offering Gardasil vaccines in their
elementary schools. Ontario, Newfoundland and P.E.I. are starting an
inoculation program with other provinces considering similar plans.
Vaccinations, at least for now, are voluntary.
Statistics show that, in Canada, some 1,400 women are diagnosed each year
with cervical cancer and each year, about 400 die.
So what's not to like about this mighty Gardasil? A lot. At the top of the
list is the hype which is highly misleading.
Parents may be forgiven if they've come to believe that this is the ultimate
cervical cancer vaccine and that it will protect their girls well into
womanhood.
It isn't and we don't know if it will. It isn't a cure for cervical cancer
and it isn't a vaccine to prevent cervical cancer. Yet, even the Canadian
Cancer Society which endorses Gardasil refers to it as "the cervical cancer
vaccine."
Instead, it is a vaccine against the human papilloma virus (HPV) some
strains of which lead to the development of about 70% of cervical cancer.
HPV is the world's most common sexually transmitted infection among both men
and women. And there are about 200 different strains of the virus. Gardasil
protects against four.
Thirty per cent of cervical cancers are associated with other causes
including some strains of HPV which are not covered by Gardasil.
And at present, there is no evidence showing that the three innoculations
required are long lasting. The longest study of any girls who've had the
vaccine is four years, so any suggestion that it's three shots and you're
safe is, at best, misleading.
Scientists may well discover that yearly booster shots are necessary.
The frantic hype about Gardasil suggests that the medical profession does
not presently know how to prevent cervical cancer. It does.
Pap tests have cut cervical cancer rates by 50% in the last 40 years. The
death rate is down 60%. Cervical cancer, while obviously a dreadful disease,
is not an epidemic in Canada.
Moreover, the spin surrounding Gardasil may easily and tragically convince
women and parents that Pap tests are unnecessary, that the use of condoms is
passe, that a needle in the arm is life-long protection against cervical
cancer.
So why this rush to vaccinate? Surely the ubiquitous marketing of Gardasil
has nothing to do with the fact that its manufacturer, Merck, has but a few
years to exclusively sell its product before its patent runs out?
And then there's the question of this vaccine being administered exclusively
to girls.
HPV is passed around with amazing speed and ease. Often there is no way of
telling who gave it to whom. It is sexually transmitted, outside and inside
holy matrimony.
So I'll spare you the lecture on abstinence, the argument brought to you by
the same people who believe sex education turns teens into sexual lunatics.
HPV is highly present in boys and men.
In fact, this virus is associated with cancer of the penis and of the anus.
In addition, many males are carriers, have no symptoms themselves, yet pass
it on to their sexual partners and their wives.
So, why are we not eagerly vaccinating boys, boys say, as ***** as nine? Or
11? Or 13?
In this rush to vaccinate Canadian girls with Gardasil, the green light has been turned on far too quickly, with far too little thought and not enough definitive testing.

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Another Flu Vaccine Push Coming Soon
By: Dr. Sherri Tenpenny, DOwww.NewsWithViews.com
October 1, 2007

Just as busy shoppers start scrambling to put together their Christmas lists
the government will be urging them to add one more thing to their packed
to do" list: Get a flu shot.
CDC officials are planning a massive media blitz during the week of November
27 to December 3, 2006 to promote "National Influenza Vaccination Week." The
flu shot campaign, which usually begins in August, has once again been
derailed by delivery delays. Shots are normally given in September
ostensibly to allow time for people to develop the antibody that is to
protect them throughout the flu season. But the CDC has apparently
rationalized that any time to get the shot is better than not getting it at
all.
The director of the Centers for Disease Control, Dr. Julie Gerberding has
gone on record saying, "We are concerned that we're going to have more doses
of flu (vaccine) than we might use."[1] With all the hype that occurred
earlier this year over the potential of a bird flu pandemic, manufacturers
anticipated an unprecedented demand for the shot. In preparation, a record
110 million doses were produced for the 2006-07 season. Fearing that
millions of those vials will be tossed in the trash-literally money down the
drain-the CDC is pulling rank and pushing for a massive vaccination campaign
to inject us will begin right after Thanksgiving.
The previous record, 95 million doses, was manufactured for the 2002-03
season. When 12 million flu