Sarah, I'm LOVING your Christmas tree blinkie!

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Okay really quick before I go into my drama!

Lauren - OMG that is beautiful!!!! I cannot wait to show Jonathan when he gets home.

Heidi - I would hide preseed usage all the time. But I only used 1/2 a tube too.

what else just scrolled through really quick.... Oh

Em - LOVE THE PICS. And I agree, I don't like the way she talks to him either. There way of communicating is called the Trojan horse...read it in one of my marital books before I married Carlos. Bad habit. But maybe he likes it. But yeah I agree one of those guys that works late.

Carlos & I decided to stay home today. Just like I always say – same roller coaster different seat. It like hit him this morning that his swimmers worked. I’m still not spotting. So I called the RE and the second Susan (the sweet office lady) acted like she remembered me (we had just talked a few weeks ago) I started to bawl. We went to see the RE this morning, got home about 30 min ago.

Carlos did an S/A – which he wasn’t happy about cause we have always done them at home and I didn’t help him cause I was getting an ultra sound done. My lining is at 10mm so it hasn’t even started breaking down yet. He can see the cyst which is about 2 mm - said that was totally normal and actually a good sign. He called the clinic I went to on Saturday right in front of me, they sent a release form that I had to sign and fax over so they can send the beta report. I did more blood work and he’s rechecking my thyroid as well.

We talked a bit about chemical pregnancies because in all honesty I never really understood why it just wasn't called an early miscarriage. Like I did but didn’t you know? In my eyes whether someone had a chemical or a miscarriage it was still a lost to that person. And I felt that doctors would minimize the impact by calling it a chemical. His take on it was that Chemical pregnancies is a relatively new concept that some OB ’s don’t even recognize. The reason for this is with HPT becoming more sensitive woman are finding out they are pregnant earlier than ever before. However the concept of a woman being pregnant and not even knowing it and then getting her period has always been a fact. Again it’s one of those things I’ve heard before and had a hard time grasping. He said the body can be a very exact thing. He has all my charts in his file. My cycles are very regular. Chances are pretty high that the few cycles I had that were 28 or 29 days that followed by a heavy period…those were chemicals.

He also said different doctors diagnose chemical pregnancies differently. Some consider any lost prior to an ultrasound as a chemical. Some anything before blood tests. And a few don’t recognize it at all. Even if a woman has had positive HPTs and her beta comes back negative the Dr will not acknowledge a pregnancy occurred. It’s really incredible.

He said for him his standards are a chemical is a positive HPT followed by a period 2 to 3 days later. Regardless of whether the period is late or not. So for example…if a woman gets her BFP on 10dpo but still gets AF at 15dpo as scheduled so technically she’s not “late” he still counts that as a chemical. In my case I’m 3 days late with AF. He’s hoping I start AF in the next day or two but by the look of my lining he doesn’t think I will. If AF hasn’t arrived by December 3rd he wants me back in for another ultrasound and we’ll decide at that point what we want to do.

Carlos asked if we should refrain from BD, he said no. He mentioned that sperm can eat away at a lining. WHAT?????? Uhhhhh never read that anywhere. That there is something in the sperm that does that to the lining. He said Carlos’ sperm although low is healthy and doesn’t see any problem. So then I asked him if he thought people should refrain during the 2ww and he said he has suggested that to some of his patients…or to use condoms during that time. Just thought that was interesting info...

We were there for probably 2 hours. I absolutely love him. The damage for everything was $340. ohhhhhhhh I also asked him if I needed to now wait before TTC again, he said he didn’t have an answer for me at this time. Then I told him that after a miscarriage I always heard that one should wait 6 months. He said to wait for this week to be over before making a decision. That since I wanted to do an IUI in Jan/Feb that he could do an ultrasound the next cycle to make sure my lining looked okay before waiting for the IUI cycle.

Have a I mentioned I LOVE him. Snowie you need to call him! Anyway when we left he also said something about prayer. Oh he was also floored that Carlos is doing the acupuncture he also wants a report from that clinic but they weren't open yet. He was there the day Carlos passed out from the blood work.

I feel better although I feel like I’m in a cloud like there is no way that any of this could have happened. Just weird.

Oh and Rebecca -yeah Em had to remind me the other day that this is pretty huge for us. So that's my silver lining I guess. That I guess my 6 % isn't 6 percent after all. (sticking my tounge out at my first ob)

I should have b/w back by Friday and s/a results by end of today, Carlos got to see his swimmers on the screen he wasn't with me the last IUI so didn't get to see that.

Okay - we were going to christmas decorate but it's really windy. So we are going to go to bed and cuddle. Maybe BD and see if we can make AF come.

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And if I haven't said it before. Thanks for being my friends. I would have seriously been divorced if it wasn't because of everyone here.

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Betsy - I had never heard that about sperm eating away at the lining. Maybe Juan and I need to stop BD'ing in the TWW. I'm glad you went to the RE. If you remember, when I had a beta of 11, my doctor didn't even consider it pregnant, though the RE is considering it a chemical pregnancy. It's always shocking to hear how different doctors diagnose pregnancy. The way I see it is that my body obviously recognized it was pregnant or it wouldn't make the hormone...and my cycles wouldn't be so messed up afterwards.

I figured you had a corpus luteal cyst. That's undoubtedly what was causing your pain.

I'm glad Carlos went with you too. It's good for him to hear it and for you guys to be there for each other.

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Love that show too by the way. A couple weeks ago DH was gone so I got caught up on all the episodes.

Ok here's the daily b/w update......E2 is 397! Very excited about that....even though I don't really know what it means but I just know it rising is good. I trigger tonight. She said to BD tomorrow and the next day. So DH will get a break tonight. It sounds like she expects me to O Friday. She said to abstain tonight so we can get good swimmers there starting tomorrow. Might have to do some AM BDing before work!

I do the second Ovidril shot in a week. And if no AF in 17 days from today (I'm assuming have to wait until after the second shot to get out of my system) then call for beta. This is going to be the longest 2ww ever!

I've had a lot of O pains on the leftside! Really hoping that follie is getting ready.

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The concept of the chemical pg ONLY makes sense to me if looked at in that way...to me, it's like the egg fertilizes, but that's a/b as far as it goes, no more 'chemicals' (hormones) produced than to make you a day late or so, perhaps not even to show up on some HPTs. Remember when I was talking a few months ago about wondering if I ovulated poorly and wondered if there were times when just that very thing had happened (egg fertilizing, but never making enough waves to even show up or make me really late), since my cycle spent so much time bouncing around but only within a few days over the past few years. It's something I've wondered about; that it DIDN'T take us as long to conceive as it seemed, but that it happened all the time and didn't 'take' so early that it never showed up. Pondering...

And any doc that says anything before an U/S is 'chemical' can kiss my a$$, cause he wasn't there last year when I was 'in labor' with the second m/c.

Bets ~ This might sound terrible (I hope it doesn't), but I'm oddly and surprisingly encouraged for you with all of this. Does that sound terrible? *cringes*

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Except I don't think your body makes the actual chemicals until after the egg has implanted - which would mean you are pregnant, in so far as you consider a fertilized, implanted egg to mean pregnancy. I think it's probably common for an egg to fertilize and maybe not implant? Personally, I don't like the term chemical, even though I've gotten used to it. Why does it matter if the pregnancy aborted itself at 4 weeks or at 6 weeks? I've never understood that. Either way, sperm met egg, implanted, and failed.

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Yeah, that's the combo of what I mean too, with implantation stunted or by-passed, etc. I dunno...it's just an odd topic I've thought about a lot in the past. *shrug*

Speaking of high-order multiples, I saw on Yahoo the Dilley sextuplets are 14! Can you believe it? Whatever happened to that set of eight years back? McCaugheys, I think, I have only vague memories. Never hear anything.

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Betsy, I am very happy that you got to go in and see the doc. He sounds like he is a lot more knowledgeable than any other doc you have seen. The whole sperm making af start makes sense since it can also bring on labor when you are close to the end of a pregnancy

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Okay, so I was just looking into the sperm business. Apparently, semen is high in prostaglandin. Guess what else is high in prostaglandin? Misoprotol - which they use to induce abortion. Semen can also aggrivate cervical and uterine cancer.

Maybe Juan's semen is super concentrated with this prostaglandin stuff. Okay, no more lovin for him after O day. Which won't be until March anyway.

Maybe that's why it's easier to get knocked up on a one-night stand?!

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Emily~The pictures were great. What a pretty place. I hope you had a good time.

Lauren~Such beautiful embies. That is so cool that you have a first picture already.

Betsy~I'm happy that you were able to see the RE. He sounds like he knows what he is talking about. Enjoy the rest of your day with Carlos.

Hi girls,

Lauren - That picture was amazing! I think it's great that you have a picture of those 3 little babies!

Emily - Nice pictures! Where was that cabin at? Really pretty.

Heidi - Nice Estrogen level! Come on follie!!! Where did you get the preseed at? I thought it can to be ordered on-line. I was hoping to us it this month, AFTER the pct of course!!!

Betsy - I'm sorry you have to go through this but I am glad you have a doctor that you LOVE and are comfortable with.

Jen - I'm sorry for your loss.

Steph - Hi

I had my meltdown on Monday. DH had his last night. Sat. we are doing dinner and hitting a bar and I hope to be carried out to the truck!! Well not that bad, but I plan on having a good ol' time! Then after we decide this, SIL says that MIL wants to do cookies on Sunday! AGHHHHHH! Just what I want to do when I'm hungover, spend the afternoon baking!

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You know, to add to this discussion... in a strange way I have wondered what I am considered if I have embryos inside, but not implanted. I am not pregnant... but I also like to feel like I am not completely NOT pregnant either... Stupid, I know...

As far as sex in the 2ww... I was told not to bd at all between et and my 3rd pregnancy test. Maybe for that same reason?

Bets~ I am SO HAPPY you went to the RE and had a good appointment. I am also very hopeful for you that you were pregnant! I know that sounds bad... but I am just glad to know it can and will happen for you!

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Betsy - I'm so glad you went in to see the dr! Sounds like you got many answers or ideas of what might be going on in there. You should be excited that this has and will work for you!! I didn't know about the attacking sperm either. In the past year or so it has extremely amazed me at how "perfect" everything must be for you to get pregnant. And "accidents" happen?!? I don't understand how.

Em - Has Juan had a s/a? Or did he get to skip it since you are getting preg?

Karyn - Go drink like a fish...screw the cookies! By the way haven't you made enough cookies to feed the Army already!?!

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Dana

Lauren, it's hard to know what to call you. I would say you are quasi-pregnant. Some people believe pregnancy begins at fertilization, so those people would say you're pregnant.

Dana - the RE saw no need to do an S/A. I think sperm can cause miscarriage, but i think it's rare for it to be the sperm's fault 4 times in a row.
I need to plan one of my mexico trips for fertile time so I can not have to turn Juan down in the 2ww because I won't be there!!

Karyn - I think I will have a drink or two for you on Saturday as well!

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Betsy - I'm glad you and Carlos went to the re together.......your making progress

Heidi - I used preseed for this pregnancy and my last (w/ dh knowledge) and it worked goodluck!

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