Claire/Mary - actually clomid can help a short LP too since it stimulates your pituitary to regulate your hormones... I wouldn't go so far as to call it a magic pill but it does work on alot of different TTC issues. I think they might prescribe it along with progesterone but I don't know for sure... that would be a question for the doctor.

Mel - I'Pooed - so cute! I've resisted actually buying anything so far... I just have a ton of links saved for when/if I need them... Sorry about DH's Aunt... when I had my chemical I was planning on telling when I was around 10 wks I think and I thought that was early (just happened that it would have been Mother's Day)... I would be really afraid to tell sooner than that! I guess ignorance is bliss... wouldn't it be nice not to have to be scared and to have nothing go wrong??? I'm glad you had fun with Betsy.

Brandy - sorry AF is being a bitch... when is she not?!?! I would go for the swimming pool and hot tub too - thats great if its in your price range!

So I just got back from my 7DPO b/w... I'm curious to see what my progesterone is on clomid. She also did an u/s to make sure my ovaries weren't hyperstimulated and she said they were fine. I wanted to be able to see how many follicles I had but I guess you can't see them once they're actually released

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Mel- so glad you had a good visit with Betsy. Sorry bout the IL. I know what you mean-you think you are gonna get through it without having to talk about it and then find out you aren't so lucky.

that's just funny about the onesie- I saw one a couple of weekends ago that was handmade and it had a little stick figure on a john deere tractor that said "chicks dig my tractor"...OMG it was cute...I know, I'm a real hick.

Any word on Capn's little boys, er men, er swimmers?

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Irene- I know mare & rac had said that clomid could make the LP longer, but I didn't think it was prescribed for "luteal phase defects". Although, it does seem to be prescribed for almost all things TTC. I obviously don't "know", I'm more trying to clarify things for myself.

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I'm fairly certain that Steph was on it for LPD... I just did a search on yahoo (I'm old so I use yahoo not google LOL!) and it can be prescribed for LPD - I think in Mary's case it might be better than progesterone alone since it will help regulate her O too.

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Aha, I see. Maybe it's just one of those drugs that even the science dudes don't fully understand-or maybe I just don't get it- LOL!

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just skimmed the posts and am heading home so will post more later...

Claire and Mary-not sure what the correlation between LH and LP is. I only ever get 1 positive OPK but I use the digitals so am not sure if their sensitivity is higher. And clomid is often used to treat "luteal phase defect"

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So I talked to the nurse, and she talked me into waiting just a few more days before I do my progesterone b/w. It makes sense that they would like it closest to 7 dpo. I will try to be paitent.

She also said that I don't need to make an appointment, because if the progesterone does come back low that she would just precribe me something.

I apoligized for being one of those I WANT TO BE PG NOW girls. She said she's used to it by now.

I'm wondering though if the progesterone isn't low, wouldn't she need me to come in to look at all this data I've been collecting?

Ok I'm so tired, don't want to think about all the dirty laundry I have to do. And I don't want to make dinner. But I know Buddy will want something like Thai place or Indian. And I'm really thinking something more on the lines of Subway.

Claire - I keep forgetting to say this, keep up the good work, I did notice that your weight loss ticker is moving. And still no smokes? I quit about six years ago, don't look back, life is better without cigs. But what I meant to say, was NIIICCCEEE!

Maybe we all need to get together for a ttc retreat? Like in the middle of the country like in Kansas, yah that would work. We could all go to the lake house, go shopping at the outlet mall, and actually I don't know talk in person about all this. LOL.. Ok I better get out of here....

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Well, I called the dr's office, and the nurse told me that no matter how faint the line, a line is a lilne. I am still going to go get a FR or Clearblue or something tonight after work, because otherwise I will do nothing but worry for the next 2 weeks until I go in to see the doctor. They called in the progesterone suppositories for me, and I will go pick them up tomorrow, since that's when they want me to start them, and the pharmacy is only open til 6 and I don't get outta here until 6:30. But I am off tomorrow, so it'll be ok.

I feel pregnant, my bbs are killing me, I feel nauseated A LOT, and stuff is tasting funny, which all happened the last time too.....guess I'll just have to wait and see. I am SO much more confident that things will be fine this time, but there is still a part of me that is mildly freaking out. But I need to stay positive and happy, because that is better for me and the baby.

So, once I take the other test, I'll be sure and post....maybe even a pic....depends on how my day goes tomorrow.

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Mary - I'm trying to remember how long the first cycle you temped was... I looked at FF but since you're not VIP it only shows 2 charts. I think its fine if you wait a few days but do you think she will still prescribe something if AF shows up before you get the progesterone done? It does make me a little nervous that she'll prescribe without you going in and talking about it. I guess its because I can never get to ask too many questions over the phone I really like to go in so I know exactly whats going on.

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now that I can "talk" a little bit more...

Mel-sounds like you had a great time with Betsy. Maybe one of these days we can meet when I go back home to the OC to visit!

Claire-I think Clomid is good for the LP because the corpus luteum (the part that is left behind after the egg is released) is of better quality/stronger and so is better at producing progesterone hence a longer LP. At least that is my understanding, but I could be wrong.

Irene-yeah I think once the eggs are released they can't tell how big the follies were, hopefully you had some good ones!! You know I'm so hopeful for you

Mary-I forgot to answer before that I take the oral progesterone (prometrium). The suppositories are supposed to have better absorption

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Ah the many uses of popsicle sticks.. LOL

Here's hopeful thoughts for everyone. AF is just terrible SO heavy. I am flying through my box of tampons. I am ready to toss that box to the back of the closet LOL

Mel- So cool you got to see Betsy again. No one lives near me!

Jen- I am hopeful too for you. Good luck with the supps.

Mare- Oh I am SO hopeful for you.

Mary- I know you were teasing. No harm done..

Irene- Here's hoping the Clomid is doing its job!

That's all I remember for now..

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Irene ~ I know, huh? Still annoys the crap out of me!

Claire ~ Thanks. I'm going to send the book out probably on Wednesday. I was cleaning out my scrapbook table and I found that issue of Newsweek from December and on the cover is Fertility & Diet. I'll have Cap'n make a copy of it at work tomorrow so I can include it with the book, I found it interesting...Thanks for reminding me about the s/a. Just checked my inbox and the doctor sent me a message saying the count is 'slightly low' and that she wants him to do another s/a. I wrote back requesting a copy of the results...erg. I don't know how to bring this up to Cap'n. It took so long to get him to do one, now two? erg. ERG!

Bina ~ That would be awesome if we could meet up!

Mary ~ I also hope your body will hold out on you for a 7DPO b/w and I also think you should go in instead of getting prescribed something over the phone.

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Well, after work I ran and bought some Clearblue digital tests..........and I'm PREGNANT! The test says so!

So, now that I know for sure that my mind wasn't imagining a positive, I'm going to be HAPPY!

I feel SO much better with this new doctor....I really do.....The terrifying, crippling fear is gone. Don't get me wrong, there's still a little twinge of fear in the back of my mind that another miscarriage will happen, but for the most part, I am confident that I will have a wonderfully healthy pregnancy, and I will be a mommy in March.

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Good morning. I talked to my doctor yesterday and the news is not good. In a nut shell, my blood work numbers were low, which means my quantity of eggs is not there (it tells us nothing about quality). Because of that, medicines like clomid and injectibles won't work, because there's no follicles there to grow and develop. So, my best bet for getting pregnant is IVF. We'll do it, it's just getting the money together for it. I'm thinking in the fall. That will give me two more months to ttc on my own (even though I don't have high hopes, but miracles do happen) and time to price things out at other clinics. She also mentioned that there's a new doctor coming to the clinic starting in August. She'll show him my chart and get a second opinion from him. She said to call back in August and see if he's looked at my chart yet. For the first time, I felt like she really explained things to me in a way that I understand. So, I feel good about that.

Mary~I've had multiple opks too. I usually would stop testing after two days, but sometimes I kept going. I'm not sure when you're taking them, but I read something interesting in that IF book I got. It said not to test first thing in the morning, even though some kits say you can, because too much build up overnight of LH could show a false positive. I know my RE office wants me testing with second morning urine, so that could be why. Just a thought...

Melissa/Claire~Those onesies sound cute! At times, I've wanted to buy some, just to keep the faith, but I haven't. A former boss of mine is adopting and it's taking FOREVER. She told me she'll go and buy some clothes sometimes, just to help ease the wait. I thought it was a good idea.

Christie~I'm right there with you on the heavy AF. I mean, come on already! I'm ready for her to be gone! On a funnier note, there was a commercial on tv last night for some tampon, I forgot the brand, and they had a graphic of AF coming out in the shape of a present with a bow on top. DH joked, "Oh, so that's how it comes out, like a present". I just glared at him. LOL

Jen~Congratulations. I hope it sticks!

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Irene - I know sorry I'm such a cheap @ss. My first cycle temped was 27 days. So there might be hope. And I have to go in on Thursday 6 dpo since I'll be leaving town. The nurse also told me that it was ok if I started AF, I'm not sure if she didn't understand me or I didn't understand her, but I thought that's what she meant. I'm on the fence with going in. If the progesterone is low, I don't mind just getting a rx. But if it's ok, then I'll probably go in. It was tempting to do it today so that I could have results before I leave but this will work out better.

Claire - Thanks for asking about the Clomid, I too thought it was just for women that had problems Oing. And not that I have a problem, I'm just thinking since mine is so late, that it could possilbly bring it around day 14.

JJ - I'm sorry that the news from you dr wasn't good, but I'm glad that you understand more on what's going on. And I hate to be nosey but what is the cost of IVF? I hope you get your miracle soon.

Bina - Thanks, I'll keep that in mind when we get to that point. Hopefully sooner than later.

Mel - Darn it about having to go give s/a again. Do you think that the 20 minutes might have messed with the count a bit? Can you give the deposit there? That's what DH and I did since our lab was way too far away. It was uncomfortable but whatever it takes. Sound like you are enjoying your summer. Are you close to San Diego? I'll be there early December for a trade show.

Jen - Congrats! Can I be next? I so wanted to get pg before DH and I's wedding. But thinking about that, you are going to have a full plate there sister, very exciting for you! I hope it sticks and I'll meet you over on the pg side.

Mare - Did you test again? Dr appointment tomorrow? Good luck, I'm praying for you!

Alright ladies, I'll chat with ya all later.....

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JJ-big *hugs* sorry about the bad news. I am glad that you feel that your Dr. is finally explaining things to you so that it at least makes sense. I've known a couple people personally (not even including the girls on here) who have had success with IVF so hopefully it helps a little to at least have a direction to go in now. I think it is all these unknowns that can be hard to deal with.

Mare-where are you and have you tested again??

Jen-congrats!!! I think you have a great attitude. I always say to enjoy each day that you are PG.

Mel-I've heard that because sperm count and other issues can fluctuate so much, they like to do multiple analysis to make sure everything is ok. My friend was told her DH had swimmer issues according to the tests but that they weren't really too concerned, and they got PG that very month!

I went ahead and set up my FF chart. After seeing sticky CM yesterday (I wasn't trying to look I promise, lol) I decided that I would keep up with the temping for now just to see what is going, especially since it hasn't been stressful since there is no TTC involved.

am working from home today so will hopefully have lots of time to check in.

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