The name Flo just caught me completely off guard. She was nice... so not all Flo's are witches hee hee.

Well... I've been doing some research on my cp... I wonder if the raspberry leaf tea has something to do with it. Research shows that it relaxes the uterus. I don't know, it's a thought. I have been drinking that as well as taking baby aspirin.

I think I'm going to O earlier than last month. I went to the restroom earlier, and I noticed some EWCM. I think I'm going to start OPKs today.

I just bought a 3 month membership to FF. It was 16.95. Pretty cheap considering the price of everything else we use to ttc.

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Mare/Rebecca - I was wondering if anyone knew the difference between taking clomid days 3-7 vs. 5-9?

Mare - yay for EWCM!

Rebecca - it is good that we're not charged for CT... I'm a super junkie.

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Mare - If you just took your last clomid today, I would bet that the ewcm is from that. I had a lot of very thin, creamy cm while I was taking my clomid. My nurse told me not to test too soon after the last pill because it can give you a false positive, since clomid tells the pituitary to release more lh.

Irene - I'm not exactly sure, but I think the only difference is the amount of time until O. I've been taking mine cd3-7, starting opks on cd11. Last month I O'd on cd15. I believe, generally you should O 5-9 days after the last pill.

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Irene - I asked my Dr. about it bc my RE had me take it 3-7, and my gyn wants me to take it 5-9. She said it is basically personal preference of the dr. I have read, however, that taking it earlier can result in more follicles, and starting it later may help the dominant follicle(s) to mature. I don't know if it is true or not. The gyn told me to take it days 5-9 and that my fertile period = cd12-18. She told me to bd every other day starting cycle day 10 and ending on 20.

Rac - thanks for the tip. It makes a lot of sense. I take my last dose tonight.

With regard to CT... I am addicted!

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Mare/Rebecca - interesting... my dr told me to wait 5 days after my last pill to start BDing which would put me at CD12... which doesn't really match what you guys are saying. Sounds like I should probably start BDing at least every other day around CD10?

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Irene - What your dr said makes sense since ovulation usually happens 5-9 days after the last pill, but you wouldn't have any swimmers in there waiting, so I agree with you to start around cd10. But it will be nice for you since it will probably make you O earlier than usual!

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Rac/Irene/Mare- I'm totally lost with the clomid talk. I think I have always blocked it out thinking "not me, I won't need it". And now, I know nothing about it-and I think I want some. *sigh* I think I just want a magic pill (trust me, I know there is no such thing.....unless you have ED- there's a few magic pills for that). So what's EPO and Vitex? And just to avoind another mix up like my stupid question about NPC, how are they taken/applied/ingested . Glad to read what ya'll are talking about, so I can learn

Rac- I know you are right about thinking that even though you wish you hadn't waited, this is still the way things are 'supposed' to be. Oh, and maybe you should just canoe to your island! Jeeze, that's pricey!

Mare- LOL Flo, poor gal. I'm sorry, did you say you were 20? Like Twenty? You aren't old enough to buy booze yet? LOL! See Irene, I AM old!

Mary- Everyone's right. God only knows what can cause our little cramps and pains sometimes. I do know from experience that honing in on them &/or worrying about them makes them worse.

Ok, have a silly wishful question: I am due for pap on 17th, but the dr's office called and I guess I had an appt scheduled (6 mo ago) for TOMORROW (yes, the office staff hasn't gotten any smarter) So, if I am pg, (I mean, there's always a chance, right-till AF shows) Wouldn't a pap be a BAD thing now? Should I just stay with the 17th-which is also scheduled. dee dee dee, stupid office moron chick, I asked WHEN my appt was, then she tells me abnormal results and schedules me for a new appt

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Claire - LOL - canoe! No way! I'll take a picture of Granny's Bay for you. Then you can imagine 4ft rollers and me getting tossed from a canoe! This is a BIG lake (some places are more than 500 ft deep).

Let's see if I can help.....
Vitex - aka chaste tree berry - is an herb in pill form. It acts on the pituitary gland in the same way as clomid, but in much smaller doses.

Chasteberry [NCCAM Herbs at a Glance]

EPO - Evening Primrose Oil - an herb in pill form, also, is used to help increase and thin the cervical fluid. It's not to be taken in the 2ww because it has been known to cause uterine contractions. I've also seen it listed as a suggestion to help induce labor.

Evening Primrose Oil [NCCAM Herbs at a Glance]

and about your pap.... no harm in doing it. In fact, when you do get pg, if you hadn't had a pap, they will do one.

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Rebecca - thats exactly what I was thinking... I mean I doubt I will O on CD12 but if its a possibility I definitely want to start BDing 2 days before.

Claire - I don't rub anything anywhere! Everything I take is in pill form

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Claire -- Haha... I wish... I'm 28. I just found out that the number 8 followed by a ) is a smiley face wearing sunglasses . lol.

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Hi Ladies! Question...Friday was a high day on my monitor and hubby and i bd'd. Saturday was high, no bd, then Sunday we got a peak and bd'd in the evening. The thing is that Sunday morning i had a lot of EWCM. Should we have bd'd earlier in the day?? Sorry if it sounds like a stupid question. Also, i noticed Saturday nite that i had a quick and severe sharp pain on my left side...maybe the big O (then got our peak Sunday a.m.)? Not sure. Was our timing off on bd'ing? I'm thinking there should've been swimmers in there waiting from Friday nite so technically we are ok...but what do you think? Thanks! Kelli

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Mare - that is the funniest thing I've heard today, I just totally cracked up when I saw that, because I was like wow she's only 20!

Claire - Thanks for asking about the Vitex and EPO.

And Rac - thanks for the response, can you get those at a drugstore or online only?

I have officially done nothing today. For some reason laying around and being lazy today just seemed like a good idea. Now I wish I would of done more, like clean the bathroom, straighten up the attic. Oh well, I am still feeling a slight tingle on my right side, like the beginning of cramps.

chat later, I guess I better do something before DH gets home.

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Kelli - I'd say you did pretty good with the timing. Actually the exact same timing as me and DH this cycle. I hope the routine works out for us both!

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Mary - Thanks and GOOD LUCK to you too!!!!

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Ok, that makes me think of another question tho...does the EWCM mean O is coming?? Ugghghhg, it's so hard for me to remember all this stuff...but i'm learning

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kc- yep, EWCM is the good stuff. It can come in patches, though. I'm sorry, hun, but I'm having a hard time visualizing your situation without a chart-so I don't think I'll be too much help. Isn't this like the second "peak" you've had this cycle? Or I might be confused. Happens Regularly.

Rac- Thanks for the info.....Isn't "Chaste" berry a bit of a contradiction in name for what we are trying to accomplish? LOL, mind in the gutter today-oops make that everyday. Maybe I'll try some of this herbal stuff. It's not that I don't believe in herbs or anything. Honestly, I'm just so mad at my last acupuncturist that I'm being stubborn. I thought they did paps while PG, but I was so mad at that moron for not being able to find this appt that I canceled it and stuck with the 17th. Hey, since you are the herbal expert, got a question: what do you know/think of flower essences? My mother swears by them-for the dogs. But I guess they are for people, too.

I was j/k about the canoe, BTW , now an inner tube on the other hand.....LOL. You vacation is going to be spectacular. I say slurge away, you deserve it.

Irene- I like pills, as long as it's not 50 of them 20x/day. Seems like thats what my acu wanted me to do....I have a hard enough time remembering to take 1 PNV/day. How I ever remembered BCP, I'll never know.

Mare- OIC! LOL!!!! I thought you were being clever in showing how young you are. he he he, that's funny. So, wait....if you're 28....am I the baby here? Surely not. There's someone here younger than 27, right? Oh, and I have 6 grey hairs at last count to whomever mentioned grey hair. And they are all in the same spot, at this rate I'm going to look like Rogue from x-men!

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Claire - Your younger than me, I just turned 29! Only one more year in my twenties, how fast time flies by!

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